“They are, aren’t they?” Sylvia sighed. “I think it’s good that they’re getting the Christian message through entertainment. Did you listen to the Donut Man when you were younger? Kathryn from women’s group recommended it. There’s so much programming for kids that, if you really think about it, doesn’t offer a lot. It’s not character-building.” She said “character-building” tentatively, like a child, then repeated, more boldly, “There’s so much that isn’t character-building. I mean, just look at this world.”

Natalia did look: trees scored wavy lines into the sky, HELL IS REAL said a billboard, and then the billboard was gone. Sylvia kept talking.