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It's very unpredictable. If we read our history, we know that back in Debs' time the railroads were one of the biggest industries in the country. They had a lot of shops: people worked as blacksmiths, machinists, whatever. The company cut their pay so much a day. They didn't do anything about it. S…

[...] in 1857 Frederick Douglass said something that I think you ought to listen to:

"Those who profess to favor freedom and yet discourage agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of …

In the steel mill, the type of work we were involved in was gang-type work. You couldn't do the job yourself. You had to help the guy in the next furnace. He helped you. You didn't have to like him, but you knew that to get the job done and not die, you had to help each other.

So then you start …

I think it's things like that that politicize people. I was at an age where I was like a sponge, wanting to participate in society. Then I found out what society was like.

The Beep-A-Thon was great! We started with the big one that Saturday. There were seventy-five cars, driving real slow. It went all the way from the school, up the back, and around. The cops were so tickled that we weren't marching that they held up traffic for us, remember? We went back and forth. …