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Chapter Four: Conservative culture wars from Buchanan to Yiannopoulos

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Nagle, A. (2017). Chapter Four: Conservative culture wars from Buchanan to Yiannopoulos. In Nagle, A. Kill All Normies: Online Culture Wars from 4chan and Tumblr to Trump and the Alt-Right. Zero Books, pp. 54-67

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The right-way style that Yiannopoulos embodied represents a marriage of the ironic, irreverent, taboo-busting culture of 4chan with the politics of the right; although, as his hard alt-right detractors often liked to point out, once you remove the 'trolling', many of his views amount to little more than classical liberalism. Despite calling himself a conservative he, Trump, rightist 4chan and the alt-right all represent a pretty dramatic departure from the kind of churchgoing, upstanding, button-down, family-values conservatism that we usually associate with the term in Anglo-American public and political life.

—p.56 by Angela Nagle 7 years, 4 months ago

The right-way style that Yiannopoulos embodied represents a marriage of the ironic, irreverent, taboo-busting culture of 4chan with the politics of the right; although, as his hard alt-right detractors often liked to point out, once you remove the 'trolling', many of his views amount to little more than classical liberalism. Despite calling himself a conservative he, Trump, rightist 4chan and the alt-right all represent a pretty dramatic departure from the kind of churchgoing, upstanding, button-down, family-values conservatism that we usually associate with the term in Anglo-American public and political life.

—p.56 by Angela Nagle 7 years, 4 months ago

(noun) a fancy word for boxer

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Buchanan's style was more pugilistic than most of the Republican mainstream was willing to risk

—p.56 by Angela Nagle
notable
7 years, 4 months ago

Buchanan's style was more pugilistic than most of the Republican mainstream was willing to risk

—p.56 by Angela Nagle
notable
7 years, 4 months ago
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[...] the most recent rise of the online right is evidence of the triumph of the identity politics of the right and of the co-opting (but nevertheless the triumph) of 60s left styles of transgression and counterculture. The libertinism, individualism, bourgeous bohemianism, postmodernism, irony and ultimately the nihilism that the left was once accused of by the right actually characterized the movement to which Milo belonged. The rise of Milo's 4chan-influenced right is no more evidence of a resurgence of conservatism than the rise of Tumblr-style identity politics constitutes a resurgence of the socialist or materialist left.

also a good point

—p.57 by Angela Nagle 7 years, 4 months ago

[...] the most recent rise of the online right is evidence of the triumph of the identity politics of the right and of the co-opting (but nevertheless the triumph) of 60s left styles of transgression and counterculture. The libertinism, individualism, bourgeous bohemianism, postmodernism, irony and ultimately the nihilism that the left was once accused of by the right actually characterized the movement to which Milo belonged. The rise of Milo's 4chan-influenced right is no more evidence of a resurgence of conservatism than the rise of Tumblr-style identity politics constitutes a resurgence of the socialist or materialist left.

also a good point

—p.57 by Angela Nagle 7 years, 4 months ago

relating to or denoting the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels (noun or adj)

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'[...] They maintained their Marxist style of diagnosing problems in relation to root causes, internal logics and overarching structures.'

quoting Andrew Hartman in A War for the Soul of America on the neoconservatives of the 1930s, who started out as Trotskyist

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7 years, 4 months ago

'[...] They maintained their Marxist style of diagnosing problems in relation to root causes, internal logics and overarching structures.'

quoting Andrew Hartman in A War for the Soul of America on the neoconservatives of the 1930s, who started out as Trotskyist

—p.60 missing author
notable
7 years, 4 months ago
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New Left thinker Herbert Marcuse meanwhile raised the question of 'whether it is possible to conceive of revolution when there is no vital need for it'. The need for revolution, he explained, 'is something quite different from a vital need for better working conditions, a better income, more liberty and so on, which can be satisfied within the existing order. Why should the overthrow of the existing order be of vital necessity for people who own, or can hope to own, good clothes, a well-stocked larder, a TV set, a car, a house and so on, all within the existing order?' [...] The working class had, according to many who shared this view, ceased being revolutionary and instead were becoming reactionary and culturally conservative, while the identity movements along race, gender and sexuality lines were becoming more radical than ever.

—p.61 by Angela Nagle 7 years, 4 months ago

New Left thinker Herbert Marcuse meanwhile raised the question of 'whether it is possible to conceive of revolution when there is no vital need for it'. The need for revolution, he explained, 'is something quite different from a vital need for better working conditions, a better income, more liberty and so on, which can be satisfied within the existing order. Why should the overthrow of the existing order be of vital necessity for people who own, or can hope to own, good clothes, a well-stocked larder, a TV set, a car, a house and so on, all within the existing order?' [...] The working class had, according to many who shared this view, ceased being revolutionary and instead were becoming reactionary and culturally conservative, while the identity movements along race, gender and sexuality lines were becoming more radical than ever.

—p.61 by Angela Nagle 7 years, 4 months ago